#324: How To Totally Pay Attention and Not Let Your Focus Stray w/ Kim Lackey
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Law Smith
0:00
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Law Smith
2:24
Windy. Kim let him hear your voice even though you're a frequent guests of the program.
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Speaker 2
2:30
Frequent class I love it. Hey, guys. hearing her voice Yeah. Hello. Um, you got any complaints? cam? What do you got? Now? You already announced that I have complained. I was all I was doing. I like that. You think that when I'm playing when I'm just asking where's the sound guy? Like, yeah, help it. Move. You knew what you were doing. I there's no passive aggression in me.
Law Smith
2:58
No, no, no, no, no, zero. That just the way you said that.
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Speaker 2
3:03
I'm pretty. I'm pretty straightforward. I can't be around either one of you without doing a little ball busting or I just I'm not gonna be able to hang.
Law Smith
3:13
Kim, have you ever had to make an apology? Like a really heartfelt one? Yes. Are you good at? Well, this wasn't on our docket of things.
3:26
Got the question you look at. Okay, well, we have the lizzo apology we do. Can we just play the audio of that? Okay, you have to give us some background on
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Speaker 2
3:37
should I answer before you said Am I good at it but I think a true I can the the judger of a good apology is the person on the receiving end. Okay, so I might do the best I can. But there is the language of apology. Some people want you to admit what you did wrong gravel. You know, so I'm somebody that just I'm cool to just accept an apology. But let's listen.
Law Smith
4:03
I took a little piece out of a 12 minute Instagram Live lizard it if you don't know she's that she's that flutist? She's musician, huge pop star. She sings do my hair. Yes. Perfect. And so she used to get a lot of body shaming back because she's a bigger gal and get all the trolls on in the comment section. Now she's sort of losing weight. And you know, people don't like that either the fan base, have bigger people that love her or don't like that. She's concerned about her health. And then I was like, this is how you apologize in this era is this snippet from here, where, you know, she goes she it's kind of rambling, but this part's the best. All right.
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Speaker 3
4:56
Anyway, I just want to express Got gratitude for everyone who listened to the song Who? Everyone who listened to the song watch the video period what he liked what he didn't like it. I'm glad you're here. Thank you for your stream. Thank you for your viewership. If you love it, thank you if it's mad, thank you because at least you gave it a chance. At least you listened to it. That means something to me.
Law Smith
5:31
Wait for it.
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Speaker 3
5:33
For the people who just always have something negative to say about me that has nothing to do with music, or the content of my character or me as an artist and just has everything to do with my body or whatever trope you think I fall into. Suck my pussy from behind.
5:56
Okay,
Law Smith
5:56
yeah.
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Speaker 2
5:57
I love Eric. Eric. I would just like to say thank you for providing me with good sound and adjusting the volume.
Law Smith
6:08
You're welcome. To say that, yeah, yeah. Thank you for being here. In that's all are you doing a gratitude list or doing a gratitude? Okay, I'm not gonna,
6:22
you know, want to comment on I kind of have a question about why why what am i pushing from behind?
Law Smith
6:32
Keeping that one? Yeah. I saw I heard that. I was like, that's the best because so many people are doing these blanket apologies. And they don't really mean anything. And she does a really heartfelt thing. And then she goes, hate for the people that don't like it.
6:47
Suck my pussy from behind. The whole time. I was listening to that. I'm like, there's gotta be a way. There was no way where you put your playing that for without without much of a pussy from behind?
Law Smith
7:01
Oh, sure. I do. Like, I mean, you you could we could go into a thing about, you know, these these blanket. Apologies don't mean anything, people that are apologizing for not basically nothing. She's trying to get better, like, be healthier. You know, just that. I
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Speaker 2
7:17
mean, we and that's not makeup. It's just a losing battle. No matter if you're lizzo or whoever, you can't make everybody happy.
Law Smith
7:25
Right. And so it's one of those things where I think that is how you should do it. Because basically, everybody who was given a shit is
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Speaker 2
7:33
not going to actually yeah, and if you're not actually pistons and people off you're not really doing life correctly.
Law Smith
7:40
You won't you won't be able to apologize to everybody in one blanket. 12 Minute Video 10 minutes is a long time. I feel like you should be able to apologize for everybody. Well, it's clear. Well, how much have you done if you go if you go look at the 12 minute video I mean, it's clear it's stream of consciousness kind of thing, but she she felt like she's getting harassed so much that I just thought I thought it's interesting.
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Speaker 2
8:02
Oh, I just This is making me think of something I pretty much First of all, I don't really speak and superlatives but I can I can honestly say I basically never get in conversations on social media like arguments, these political arguments and conversations and twice in the last couple days I have and it is a losing battle. Like you can't you can't because people being on social media like it gives people wings they are so much more brave and they say things yeah, that are sort like in there it's just yeah you're
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Speaker 4
8:41
not they're not the conversation isn't happening because they're wanting to be swayed in any way or have any sort of you know open mind they're they're they're having this conversation to argue with you like they want to like dig their heels and be more on their own tip and then you know when you make them feel stupid they just peace out
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Speaker 2
9:00
well I am why pieced out this guy didn't make me feel stupid. I just was like I am not this is a waist up I could still be there going back and forth. Like you can tell some people are not going to get on or not actually someone I knew that it was a was somebody was posting something about Afghanistan. And someone commented
Law Smith
9:21
that a lot of people have hot takes on that as well. The
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Speaker 2
9:24
call I was wanting it and I just I was reading it in in the only thing someone commented about how the President has nothing to do with the military. And I just was like the dude is the commander in chief right ought to but there's All I said was that was my answer. That he is the commander in chief period. That's what I said. What I mean is in addition, yes, politics unfortunately get involved and included which is
Law Smith
9:58
good for doing it.
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Speaker 2
10:00
Your answers that this whole, like, Oh yeah, so like he doesn't have better things to do with his time then micromanage generals and like I just I stopped but I had to like walk away and turn my phone off for a minute because like no people it gives people wings. It's like Red Bull of. It's the
Law Smith
10:24
like, Rocco, what looks like you like? Yeah, the porn star guy. Rocco, why did you look at? Well, what do you do? Why do you even know what I'm talking about? You'd be like, What are you talking about? Yeah, good job, backtracking. Definitely don't Yeah. You just said it's what are
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Speaker 4
10:51
you doing without me telling you how to live your life these days? I mean, obviously, you knew me around. You know what to say? I'm going to have as far as you're letting me drink on this show today.
Law Smith
11:03
What do you mean? Yeah, you're saying like, Oh, here we go. Um, guy gets on me about it. You can you can drink whatever you want. I just want to repeat that. This is a great reunion. Such a great read. Yeah. If anybody's listening and wondering why the conversation so dirty and weird already it go back and listen to previous episodes. We've done
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Speaker 2
11:26
an episode on you guys were like my dating coaches. Yeah, have worked together. That didn't work. Didn't work. We're actually pretty good with it. One time. I didn't listen to you. And then
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Speaker 4
11:40
Oh, okay. I don't know exactly what you're talking about. But I feel like you're gonna wind up and then I'm in the keys and eight hours. I mean, geez, now, sure. Just turn your podcast on. Why didn't I just call you guys? I
Law Smith
11:54
know. Right? Right.
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Speaker 4
11:56
This is blocked. You know, a lot of the person that you're referring to is no fan.
Law Smith
12:02
I'm your biggest fan. I know, show notes. That's fine. What up, dude. So you, you throw some topics at a time? I don't a lot of them pretty. They're all under kind of a similar umbrella. I'd say to me, but working from home during COVID. I was trying to think about it with this resurgence of people. You know, getting getting COVID that run vaccinated? Seems like I'm just in that mode of like, I don't want to go back to like a shutdown situation, which I don't think will happen. But in the workplace. It's definitely it's definitely weird.
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Speaker 2
12:50
Yeah, and let's reference. We're all sitting here in Florida, where Florida has been. We're not shut down as some other places are. I mean, we're the Wild West, where you are in the country. I mean, we've been able to a lot of people. And when we all work together, I mean, we all went into the office and kind of had more of a hybrid situation. We had a big office. We've all sort of transitioned out of that now, but
Law Smith
13:15
I mean, where to put it transitioned out. Yeah, that is right. So keep going.
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Speaker 2
13:23
Well, I just saying that we all because we're here in Florida, we have a little bit more leniency like you're going into the office all the time. I actually am working at home. And I just did one of the Oxford exchange for anybody here that is in Tampa, the commerce club.
Law Smith
13:42
area. It's a fancy it's the most Instagram spot I think in Florida, but it says something like that. But it is it's like a it's a co working space. Well, there's the commerce club that is a co working space to explain what the whole thing is. It's a fancy Cracker Barrel. there's a there's a restaurant, there's a gift shop, right? There's a high end gift shop right outside. It's kind of like a week Parker, Warby Parker are our sponsor. For today, slash sweat, go to Warby Parker trial.com, forward slash sweat in my free peers to try on that Warby Parker has their station in there. If anybody knows that brand, they're very selective where they go to high end. Like it's got a lot of things going on under one under one roof. But the part you were in is the CO working space where you know those have to be going up like crazy.
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Speaker 2
14:38
Yeah, and I and that I looked around for for one that would suit me and I mean really is a no brainer because I mean, I have to get out of the house sometime or I'm just it's not good for my mental health. And I think that in turn when you're an entrepreneur working from home all the time, depending on your situation. There's definitely a lot of benefits to being around people.
Law Smith
15:05
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it depends what kind of person you are. I get energy off of people doing stuff, even if I don't talk to them. Like if there's just stuff going on. I like being around like that energy vampire. Yeah, a little bit. It's one of those things where I think I've brought it up a bunch but Sarah Silverman will go write jokes in the hotel, a hotel lobby, because she just likes being around all the all that kind of all those people doing things, it makes you feel like kind of a sack if you're just there. And it's people
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Speaker 4
15:38
wanting to yet you know, different people come in through makeup, a story about
Law Smith
15:44
special about hotels, deal with these hotel lobbies, guys, man bellhops are crazy. It's that but I think it just depends. I think all three of us kind of like that. things going on? I don't know. But I don't necessarily want to talk to anybody.
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Speaker 2
16:00
Well, for me, it depends. Like if I'm writing, if I have to write something or focus, I can't have any distraction. Like you would see me lock myself in my office and you'd come try to rescue me thinking I needed to get out of there. But I can't have it. But if I'm, if I'm just sitting on the computer, doing stuff, answering emails, I want to be around people or just just 24 hours a day. I can't just sit by myself. So I think that there's there's a lot of great solutions out there.
Law Smith
16:32
I was just trying to get you get your steps in to go for a walk outside because it was the dungeon of an office with very little light. So I kind of made myself walk laps on the rag when I'm in the office just because your co workers love you for it. They think I'm a fruitball but it's fine. Ball, huh? Yeah. Not a cake, a cake. I just say I'm very. I can't I physically, like just hate. I can't sit at a desk that long. I got to get up and move around every Yeah, well. I mean, most people I think Yeah, so well. But you'd be surprised a lot of people just will sit there all day without and then a whole day goes by. And maybe less productive because then I've been trying to do the 15 minute spurt where you work for 15 minutes of the hour. And then the last 10 minutes or five minutes or whatever, kind of go for a walk or just like free to stretch a little bit.
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Speaker 2
17:28
There are a lot of apps and even just like without having an app that you can put you know, a timer on your phone and set it to make you get up especially an Apple Watch. It's just gonna vibrate and get you up. I don't need to say that because
Law Smith
17:44
it's been a while since a dirty jobs happen. So we have to have a quota. Okay, you okay? Okay, yeah.
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Speaker 2
17:54
Well, what I was gonna say is I have I have a healthy dose of add. Yeah, that gets me that just allows me to not need to set my watch, because I'll just get up.
Law Smith
18:04
Right, right. Yeah, it's, uh, we were talking about this on the phone yesterday. I think you can use your ATD or ADHD. I still, everybody's got some of that. I guess nowadays. I think if you can figure out how to hone it and use it a little bit like Judo where you use the person's energy back at them kind of thing. Thinking of Akito Yeah, but let's talk about judo. Because Aikido is like what Steven Seagal does and I and I did in seventh grade. And it is not that. No, I thought that was the whole thing. And what are you don't strike you just, you just you just put them to the ground. You don't really do anything.
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Speaker 4
18:46
Right. I thought it was using their own using their momentum against them. Whatever a little bit. I believe
Law Smith
18:51
you have to be in like a perfect like, I have to punch you perfectly like this for you to grab my elbow and push it down. giling Oh, yeah. You'd work harder. So anyways, what we're talking about karate.
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Speaker 2
19:05
Okay, so MMA, but everybody has there's a spectrum of everything. You know, even if you whatever personality disorder even, I mean an illness etc. Yep, there's a spectrum so people's add, can differ, yeah. And then on top of their own personality, personality traits, what job they have, etc. All three of us here are aware that we have add that said there's a lot of people that get I mean, I did actually get a later in life diagnosis for ADHD. I think it's more popular you guys are both younger than me it's more popular to get the diagnosis younger now for the cool thing to do but but depends on somebodies understanding of what that is. If it's somebody only things that add is getting distracted. That's not you know, that's not just what it is. So I do think that there's a lot of people running around that, number one aren't aware of it and don't know how to kind of hack it into their life. A really good friend of mine is mental health counselor. She specializes in working with adults and teenagers that have autism. There's a large percent of people that are autistic that also had to add. That said, she herself just she's 40 she's turned 43 she just now because she studies autism. And as she's studying autism learning by add, she just got an add diagnosis for herself. Yeah, and she's a she's got three masters in psychology. So I mean, some people and, and she calls me, she just started taking medication for her ATD and she calls me all the time. And she's like, Oh, yeah, he's all added up. Well, we I know we talked about,
Law Smith
20:52
I take like a friend are doing are you feeling? Great.
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Speaker 2
20:57
But she talks about how, like, it's, you know, improved her anxiety or self esteem in just a couple of weeks. Because, yeah, because you're like, Oh, is this how neurotypical people function like you can manage your time better or neuro typical?
21:15
I like that. I know, neuro typical are being so neuro typical right now. Someone with ADHD?
Law Smith
21:28
That's this show is mostly at No, I mean, I, we aren't that far.
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Speaker 2
21:34
I kind of like not being neuro typical. Like that's, yeah, live on the wild side. Oh, well, I've seen so famila. So in that,
Law Smith
21:42
in that regard, that kind of working from home or work life balance? How do you hone it? How I mean, what do you any pragmatic tips, any anything because I'll tell you, like, I got back to every morning doing the to do list, I write out, I get a piece of paper, because I don't want to do it on a device or anything. And right out, like, eight o'clock, 830 not write the whole day out, and then have like a 15 minutes for every line. And then just do that it, it's helped me get back to being a lot more organized. Yeah. Which helps me kind of focus where I'm not, there's not a bunch of shit floating in the air. Like, I gotta get this thing down. I gotta get this thing done while I'm trying to do something.
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Speaker 2
22:27
Yep, the, the blocking the time for me is super important. And, and I have to be kind of forgiving with myself on blocking my time. And if I don't get it all done, I can sometimes I think that I can get more done in an amount of time than I can, especially if it's I'm trying to do something creative. So that some like if I'm trying to write something that can take more time or
Law Smith
22:57
printing,
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Speaker 2
22:58
painting or just like releasing the perfectionism thing, making sure you have deadline but I like I mean, some people if you can't just time block, there's so many different apps.
Law Smith
23:08
But you don't utilize my thing is you don't want to you don't need an app for this. There's just to get back to basics.
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Speaker 2
23:13
Lock your time. And I I like to if you can do this have somebody that holds you accountable. And you're really great at that to law. I don't know about but I mean even just, you know, calling checking in
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Speaker 4
23:26
know about me, I don't know, I was accountable for you for months on end. It was exhausting.
Law Smith
23:33
Yeah, remember, you're lesbian. That is really who's being passive aggressive, those just regular aggressive, I'm saying? Yeah, well, somebody out there also, maybe I'm saying to you, lady, what I'm saying is law will check in like, Hey, how are you doing on this goal? How's that going? If anybody talks to me about what? Yeah, well, if anybody talks to me about what they want to do, it's one of those things where it's like, that can just drift off into the ether. And it's like, as it does,
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Speaker 4
24:07
it does feel like a responsibility. If somebody tells me I want to do this. Yeah, where it's like, Alright, well, you're telling me that you want to do it, but you're not doing it. And for some reason, you need somebody pushing you or you need somebody like
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Speaker 2
24:21
it's human nature to need to be account need to be held accountable. So I think that the part about working from home that can be a challenge for people is if you don't see people you're not, you're not used to holding yourself accountable, putting those types of hacks in, where you're either asking somebody else, somebody in your company, again, there's a lot of entrepreneurs that work here, we all kind of have our own gigs too. So yeah, young people what you're wanting to do, ask them to hold you accountable.
Law Smith
24:50
So consulting your client right now, and it's one of those things where I basically explained this to him the same way. He's maxed out on time. And it was one of those things where I go, look, try this for a week, but at it, but here's the difference. You write out that list, and then you look at it the end of the day and see, what did you actually get done? Right and what got away, you have to actually sit there and kind of analyze that for five minutes, really. And then, so it's like kind of tracking your time. And no one wants to do that. And I get it. No one wants to write a to do list that has every 15 minutes broken out. But if you're stressed, you have all this anxiety that you can't get enough shit done during the day because X, Y and Z. What do you really know it? Right? Well, something I'll do in your head. Yes, it is it realized,
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Speaker 4
25:39
will stab so like, if you have your to do list, something I like to do is right next to it. How long will this actually take? Yeah, I'll put stuff on my to do list. So I'll put it off for offerings like realistically, right took 10 minutes. Yep, I could have done this whole five times over.
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Speaker 2
25:56
And that's a really big that right? There is a big function of add in what can make. But I mean, again, like I think whether you have that or not, almost anyone can identify with this. But the concept of making a list and not in sometimes if it looks really long, whether it's put the dishes away, and those sort of executive function, put the dishes away, make the bed laundry and I've got these two blogs to ride I've got this article do over here. And these two clients. So some of that gets mentally overwhelming putting times next to it helps you visualize like all these things, I can knock these out real quick. It's
Law Smith
26:33
mentally overwhelming until you do it. And then it's not
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Speaker 2
26:36
in you and makes you feel better about yourself. And again, like sharing for everybody now all three of us talking about our different hacks that we do. Yeah, hopefully gives people permission to understand that you know, to kind of be be gentle and kind with yourself. There's so many different changes and having to adjust on the fly. Yeah, if you don't get it done then just make an adjustment. Don't be scared to make an adjustment.
Law Smith
27:03
One thing Eric got me on was getting up earlier than everybody else. Oh my god, that is so good at that one. The way the way you pitched it was no one steals your morning. And so if you're having trouble, like by the time you get to start working, try that out like get up at 434 what do you get for 4am get up early. It feels weird the first couple of times the first couple of days you do it but like i think i got more done in like a three week span. trying that out. And it's a momentum builder. So what I do now is if I'm if things are kind of going awry, I'll make myself have to get up early as almost like a punishment until I don't have to do it. Don't kind of back on track. That's the right attitude. But you can go to sleep at drop of a hat at like 10 so my thing is like, it's a little tougher for me to do it. But you know,
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Speaker 2
27:58
do you do either of you know who Glennon Doyle Melton is
Law Smith
28:02
doing? Do you really know her when you watch him? sound like you made it up? As you're saying, oh, that guy next
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Speaker 2
28:09
part of the girl but she's married anyone back? Um, she wrote her. She had a blog. I'm sure she still hasn't been it's called monastery now she just she has a podcast and two books one, the latest one is called untamed. Anyway, in her blog that she would write and she's like, she was an addict and all this stuff. Anyway, she said that she would get up at 4am in the morning and go hide in the closet because she has three kids. She would hide in the closet or someone closet with her computer and just get out a blog every day. That was a smoke crack Mama steri. That was her blog. And she was because she said, Nope, that was my time. Nobody could take it. Yeah. And now she's the super six through just doing that authentically giving herself that time. And now she's famous. Oh, man, the whole point of 430 is
Law Smith
29:01
that you don't have to climb into the closet. Yeah, let's get to be a flip. Like why do you
29:06
got married? I guess she was married and just I don't know.
Law Smith
29:10
Like she tried to scare my wife. I go in the closet at 437 right? Yeah, it's a really good prank.
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Speaker 2
29:19
Yeah. Well, anyway, I just think there there's a lot going on these days. A lot of heaviness that's going on. So I think people should be kind with themselves and kind and understanding and give yourself the room to make adjustments and mistakes and plan. What Yeah,
Law Smith
29:39
one thing is did the the COVID error the core made it? A lot of people I think internalize now some people are handling it well that's the kind of stuff like your social media commenter and stuff like that. I think there's some people projected out because they got nowhere to put it but I do think A lot of people internalize like, what do I really want to do? And so I feel like a lot of people now as the job market starting to ramp up, see I dovetailed into one of the topics. Yeah. That that, you know, people were starting to go, what do I really want to do with my life? Because, you know, doing what I was doing? It just gave me time to do that.
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Speaker 2
30:23
Yeah. And I mean, that's that, like, what is my purpose is typically a really huge question that most people have, at least at some point in their life. But yeah, I mean, there's so the, you hear so many different areas, whether it's like the restaurant business, a good friend of mine just published a book about the restaurant business and how they're so short staffed, and they're just most industries are hiring, but then again, ever find anybody Yeah, and then but everything's remote. And it's also can be hard to stand out amongst, if your typical way of getting a job is showing up delivering your resume calling speaking to somebody and if everything's remote, and they're these really you live in Tampa, they're these great opportunities in Boston or New York, it's just hard to stand out in the crowd, too. So it's just navigating a little bit of a different job market opportunities and, and kind of how to get a job.
Law Smith
31:26
I don't know I it's kind of a buyers market. If you're looking for work right now, I was trying to pull up a stat that I saw that unemployment is Unemployment Claims is the lowest it's been before we started all the COVID stuff. So before March of 2020, the unemployment claims have gone all the way down, like to pre COVID times. If you're in Florida, it's probably because he doesn't matter. You're not going to get it. What No, I mean, this is the country that sure it's and I'm just bitching. Okay? But it's one of those things where employers can't find talent, like they're, they're having a tough time. It's one of those things where I talked to a lot of agency owners just to kind of check in a lot
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Speaker 2
32:12
of this. I'm not understanding what you're saying, I'm saying low up, there's low unemployment rate and
Law Smith
32:17
the lowest unemployment fight like claims filed since before March of 2020.
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Speaker 4
32:26
Which thing employers have more, it's a harder scenario for them to find good, right to like, lock down that good. Like, if you don't have a job, it's a good time to find a good spot,
Law Smith
32:38
finding good human capital as the as the sociopathic CEOs, right. But they can't find good talent. And that's, that's across the board in the service industry. That's, that's, you know, white collar, keyboard soft jobs. That's everything. I mean, trains already had that issue beforehand.
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Speaker 2
32:59
Yeah. And I wonder, do people not want to work? Because they are like making an adjustment with their life? Or is it because they are, are collecting
Law Smith
33:12
money? Well, here's the other aspect that goes on what state you're in. So if you're Michigan, those are really good unemployment benefits. The other part is, you can't get entry level workers that are that are making more being unemployed and getting the benefits. You know, you can tell how important it is to have a job and all that but there's right it's a math problem. There's Yeah, if you're telling me I'm gonna go do entry data input or whatever, or I could not like watch cars on the download, watch Netflix and chess. Yeah,
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Speaker 2
33:49
yeah. And right now while all company I mean, I see people complaining about the fact that you know, this delta variant has come out and they're cutting unemployment this that and the other will now places of all they've, they've put in so many industries now have adjusted to being able to work from home. So that really shouldn't be an issue, service industry and serving and stuff, but there's the vaccine and here's the other part of that. That formula is the forgiveness of rents where people didn't have to pay a mortgage or rent that I think went up in August as well. So that that kind of stopped for I think most people whatever that forgiveness area was where people weren't paying rent, or convey that didn't pay mortgage was just kind of pushed off. I think that just stopped. And so that other shoe might drop in that direction where
Law Smith
34:43
more people are going out to find work. Now the remote thing, I look remote working, we're not that good at it. I don't think on a whole I don't think we're that good at it. Because we're not a We Who are you talking about we just in the workforce world in general though, you I'd stay How do you know workforce? I because it's it's it's a process. It's kind of hodgepodge together. So some people are good at it, no doubt. But I'm saying, I, the systems are set up for remote. Everybody's trying to do it so quickly, that it's just a clusterfuck.
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Speaker 4
35:16
Okay, well, so Kim and I were in a situation where we had the opportunity to let people work from home. Yeah, what did I mean, for you? And I was not bad. Like, I feel like we had a pretty good squad.
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Speaker 2
35:32
Well, I mean, in the people that we would let work from home. They, they were the answering phone calls that were all recorded, and you could track their time, so you could track their productivity, y'all had those? So that was, yeah, that didn't really matter. And while I had this Tampa team, I always had teams that were remote in Australia, in Europe anyway. So they already I already had to track their progress. And so that was okay, so definitely just depends on the industry. And there are a lot of different. There are a lot of different companies in the corporate wellness space right now that are putting out all kinds of trainings. And you can see that they're trying to capitalize on this word from home thing in training. And I will, I've watched some of them and attended them. And none of them are. It's kind of I haven't seen any that I think, that are really great at addressing anything outside of the obvious, which is you have to put in trackable things that are trackable, and traceable, so that you can track you know, people have to, if you're a salaried employee, and you're not used to like logging in, to work to be available, you know, putting in a system like that where you know, that people are available. And yeah, I mean, I guess zoom calls and having metrics and things like that, that people are responsible for, because it is human nature to probably slack off where you can
Law Smith
37:02
well, but I know I'm not. I'm not great working from home, like I like going somewhere to go, this is what I'm doing now. Depends on the guy bread. I like, that's me, I know that I know, more people would prefer working remotely,
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Speaker 4
37:18
I don't mind it going into an office. There. I think there are some jobs like customer service inbound stuff, yeah, where they're not having to be proactive. There's no reason why you can't work from home. Like, if you're not answering, you know, answering the phones, if you're just answering doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2
37:35
And I mean, where I think that that can become a problem also is a brand new hire, if somebody has a new hire, and you need to see what their work ethic is like, or, I mean, look, it's almost impossible, it would be a waste of my time in that role as a leader to listen to everybody's call. So you do need to have some sort of trust ahead of time. So hiring a new employee and just letting them work from home. Maybe you know,
Law Smith
38:02
that Yeah, that was kind of hard. Well, if you do that, you have to have a pretty rigorous like trackable way of doing it and
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Speaker 2
38:08
a great onboarding system to train them ahead of time and a great way for them to be able to ask questions on the fly or to again depending on the industry like somebody that is you know, making sure that you vet them that they are definitely qualified
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Speaker 4
38:23
yeah that's something it's a daily if you're trying to hire somebody off you know, raw and no background you got to be daily on the phone video call to it does matter for whatever reason.
Law Smith
38:35
Yeah, I don't like the video. I don't like the video calls where people don't show their camera right. Turn that shit on. What are you doing?
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Speaker 2
38:42
What are you hiring team? I mean, I tell them make sure that you're always ready to be on you know that you're not in your you're not not sitting there naked on the couch.
Law Smith
38:53
Yeah, I one of the things I heard Jordan Harbinger on his podcast during all this during the lockdown was like, get dressed. Even if you're at home. You have to I mean, that's a that's like get dressed like Yeah,
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Speaker 2
39:09
yeah. I know. And I have to say like you guys have a good with. I mean, Eric's hair has grown out. You do kind of have long hair, but my thing my thing where I can get totally lazy at home is fixing my hair. That's fine. I don't really like doing it. No one my face
Law Smith
39:26
and no one really cares in the workplace. Anyone? Honestly, if you worry if you ponytail if you were in a bind every day, no one. It's first off. What's anybody gonna say? In the end?
39:37
The person will say something is off. I can creat I think that you might be like Kim, okay, well, Lauren, I said something that's different. We're just,
Law Smith
39:45
you know, just trying to that's us. That's our relationship is what you'd say. And I'd be like, well, nice old lady bond, that sort of shit. Yeah, one time. One time law told me we were leaving from work. And I had on mom GMO No, it wasn't mom. Okay, let's a different story. It was
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Speaker 2
40:04
this pink dress like MooMoo dress. I was trying to tell me like Look, you're working too hard. Please tell me you're going out and I'm like I I think I could go out on this date tonight and you were like, okay, that's great. Go for you wearing that
Law Smith
40:20
don't wear that. Yeah, you look like a beanbag. You show you please don't wear that. And then when I got up off the couch, he said Do you remember that? You're shedding
40:29
that's not what I did on the couch.
Law Smith
40:32
Remember? All right big build up. What do you say? He said I just all over the place. My dress your dress, just I was just trying to punctuate I'm gonna go well, are you got a heart out? You got a heart out and that's this one by quickly. Always do and nice guys. Impact coaching calm. Kimberly Lackey. Thanks. Thanks for coming back. What about my sweater woody woody about my sweater.
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