#326: How To Carry On Man Made Murals’ Matt Callahan Painting Legacy With David Mendelson-Curry

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Law Smith

0:01

sweat equity by pragmatic entrepreneurial advice. Real raw dog dog This one's gonna be a little bit low key intro Well, this one is not so quite business II as it is slice of life with David Mendelsohn curry talks about a former client of mine where he has his heart transplant. Yeah, mind blowing, mind blowing story. He got a hold of me in May and we're just getting to having him on podcast. If you want to support this show, sweat equity pod.com try grasshopper comm forward slash wet entrepreneurs phone app. Warby Parker Warby parker.com Ford says sweat or what else we got? You want to hire Eric Readinger go to Eric at sweat equity pod calm you want to hire me? Va as choco works to co w o rk s.com Subscribe. Five Star share with a friend because we're the number one comedy business podcast. Let's get it going. Yeah, we're gonna go low key. Woody. Woody. Woody.

Law Smith

1:39

How's it going? How are you feeling? Good Harris? Yeah, can you hear me okay? Yeah. Are you good? All right, um, we go right into it. So hit anybody with your plugs. Any any place people can find you any of that?

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Speaker 2

1:58

Great. Well, my website is brushed legacy studio, dot Wix dot. But let me start over with that. Sorry, because I don't go to my own website that much. Brush legacy studio dot Wix site calm. And on Facebook. It's just David Mendelsohn curry.

Law Smith

2:18

Brush legacy studio dot Wix. site.com. Correct. Got to get rid of that wix.com part. Come on, buddy.

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Speaker 2

2:28

Yeah, definitely. It's I don't use Instagram. So I just use that show my art and it's not really a business. All right, I

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Speaker 3

2:37

thought right. We're gonna go get rid of Wix in your domain URL somehow?

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Speaker 2

2:42

Yeah, yeah, you've been with Wix you can actually pay them a fee to get that taken off. So

Law Smith

2:49

we know all about it. We've we've made like 200 websites, and a lot of them not. We'll try to convert people over Squarespace from Wix. But that's a whole other episode. Yeah. So, so people find you on you said your other. Your other plug would be for your Facebook page that we said.

3:12

Yeah, just David Nelson curry.

Law Smith

3:14

Okay. So this is this is a bit of a different slice of life kind of story before our podcast united connected, I don't know maybe may or something like that. And as we're recording this, it's it's late August. And so I had a I'll try to set the table as best I can you fill in any gaps to kind of get it to where you, you kind of take part of the story. I had a client a really what I had a bunch of clients when I had had an agency. Matt Callahan being one of them that I you know, befriended, he was a muralist, manmade murals. dotnet if that's still on, man. May, you know. Oh my gosh, new keyboard. I don't know how to type on Really? I don't know what you're doing here. You sir. Don't shut up later. manmade murals. dotnet it's gone. Okay. So why would it Emile's calm man could be calm, I wanted to say was the dotnet man. Still there? It should still be there. I hope it is. In my mutual friend. Nope. It's gone. I'm sorry. So let's put this way. He came to me in probably 2016 through a friend of mine, kay Wyatt, who I think was keeping his brand alive, maybe was keeping the website alive for a little bit. In 2016, helped. We helped him kind of rebrand. He needed a new brand he needed. He needed to get the word out there that he was one of these guys that could mimic any Oh, you could give them anything and you can mimic it on a mural on a wall. He did a lot of iconic spaces in the Tampa Bay area but also around the country. And so I remember some kind of gaming ish bar that was a franchise that we keep hiring because he just had that kind of he had a he was the only artist I've ever met that had the very business like attitude towards painting which we got along kind of thick as thieves he was he to do mural the almost half to you think so though. But you know what, you know, a lot of artists to that yourself included, cuz you're you're kind of a you're a diva. You're when you get near the canvas. Yeah. And so, before we got on air, I was like, What do you been doing today? You're like, I've been painting. Yeah, I meant I was painting my kid's room and you took your ass scholar you took you took your paint and I put an ascot on when I do I do do that, but not today. And then you took off it was the regular you took off your monocle wiped it on your Boa, and you put it back on you go put my solid red out. I've been painting today. So Matt Callahan man made murals I felt pretty sharp because I came up with a logo he liked which I felt my toughest a tough he had a thing for Deadpool and a lot of the Marvel stuff so I did him within a negative space him and him on top of that, probably better when I see it. Now instead of you describing it with your finger. I don't know where it's at now online. And then, you know, he was one of those clients that were so interested in me doing stand up, he would actually would show up at some of the open mics I was doing. Good dude, one of these like real intense, guys. Good dude. And I don't and correct me when all the timeline happened, but about, I don't know, two years ago, a year and a half ago. He was he got in a fight. Yeah, three years ago, three years ago. You know, got in a fight. Got one of those one hitter quitters fell to the ground. died, I think instantly right there. It might actually he hit his head and was right. He got punched. I think he hit his head. He

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Speaker 2

7:22

got punched in the face. He fell back hit his head because they were doing the construction of the connection between the cross town and a Gandy bridge. So it was at a bar right near that

Law Smith

7:34

construct. For those outside the area. Not a great day. Oh, is to hang out? You know? Yes.

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Speaker 2

7:39

Not Not yet. Not the best neighborhood. But you know, Matt was adventurous. Yep. And it was the place he liked to hang out. So he got sucker punched, was considered brain dead. They pretty much pulled the plug on the 13th of April. So Friday the 13th 2018. And then, yeah, the rest is history after that. And so let's, let's bring everybody up to speed where you come into play. You're an artist.

Law Smith

8:16

You've been an artist in the area for a while and knew of that, correct?

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Speaker 2

8:21

Yes. I lived in channelside at a condo channelside. And I had seen matte painting I never knew I never met him at all. I just wouldn't see him painting. And then I had attended a couple of events that splitsville which is there in channelside, and he had done the murals in splitsville.

Law Smith

8:47

It's a fancy bowling alley For

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Speaker 2

8:49

me it is yeah, it's a kind of restaurant. It's it's I think the I think it's backed by Reuters. So it's like a really kind of happened in place. There's one in Disney Springs at Walt Disney World in Orlando. So I'd seen his work there. But then a friend of mine, Chef Art Smith opened a restaurant called homecoming in Disney Springs, and I was visiting with him at his restaurant had been sick at the time I had an artificial heart installed, I had stage four heart failure and took a picture with Chef Smith. And behind me is mats mural. And it turned out on February 14, the day after Matt was considered officially deceased, I received the call from Tampa general that donor had been found for heart transplant and long story short I ended up with nets hurt

Law Smith

9:50

Well, we don't we don't want to just yada yada over that. Right that that okay. That's what we we'd like to call Kismet or synchronicities on.

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Speaker 3

9:58

Yeah, that's crazy. That you're An artist too. And I mean, you knew of him,

Law Smith

10:03

like the fan. I

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Speaker 2

10:03

knew. I mean, I'd seen him I'd see anything in my own neighborhood. How, how,

Law Smith

10:09

how bad would this have been? Had he not passed away for you? Where were you in the in the search,

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Speaker 2

10:17

I was on something called an L bad left ventricular assist device. It's a titanium heart pump that attaches to the left ventricular left ventricle. And there were wires that exited out my abdomen into a computer pack with battery. So I was battery operated. And without that, I could live only about 90 seconds. Oh, my Whoa. So with that heart pump, it was day to day. And it was, you know, if I was in the car, you plug into like the cigarette, you know, into the car battery, wow. If I home, I could plug into the wall. But my life was reliant on that machine chargers. So I was placed on the transplant list. No camping for you know, camping. No, no, we did actually go glamping I moved to Tokyo glamping. And we went to a place where they had electricity. And it was because you're in the middle of nowhere. So that's a little dangerous. I was always supposed to be within like, you know, close range of a hospital. Sure. Hook up to a generator, or now. And I know you really shouldn't because of the power fluctuation. Next superhero.

Law Smith

11:38

Yeah, Iron Man.

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Speaker 2

11:39

Yeah, it was it was like, I bet I did a painting on it. And I don't have it in the room to show you guys. Because I took it down. But it's called power through machines. So it's up. And Pop Art 30 by 40 Canvas, and it's a bear, because my nickname is bear. And it has like this artificial heart thing with all these gears. And it's kind of cool that I done that when I was on the machine that I just called the machine because too hard always say l bad. Sure. So that with so without max transport without his heart. The machine was failing. It's a rare thing, but it was malfunctioning. So I cannot lay on my side. When I slept. If I rolled over on my side, the machine would start, oh, my god battering pretty much. And also in 2017, it threw a clot into the left side of my brain and I had a stroke. So I was taken off the transplant list in order for my brain to heal, because they didn't want me to bleed out on the operation table. So they took me off the transplant list until they could and they couldn't do an MRI because I was filled with titanium. So they just based the healing of my brain on CAT scans, which aren't really clear. And they could just kind of see if it looks like it's kind of cleared up. So we'll put you back on the list. Three weeks after being back on the ark transplant list, Matt died. And to be a transplant recipient, the donor and the recipient have to have the same blood type. And they have to be the same size. So Matt was I believe six, three, and I'm six, two, were both Oh, I don't remember my blood type. That's awful. We were I want to remember that. Well, if you're Oh, actually, you're good. And I owe something. And he was he was a perfect match. And it wasn't until I wrote you're allowed to write a letter to the family. And it has to be completely anonymous for privacy reasons. But I suspected who it was because people were just friends of mine were like, Hey, this is too much of a coincidence that that artists mechelen had died. And the news said that he donated his organs. So he died to Tampa General, you were at Tampa General, at the time of the transplant, there's a good chance it could be him. And you know, at first you kind of you kind of dismiss it because you just think you know, that's just that's not what are the chances of an artist getting the heart of another artist and it being local. My doctor said it was like only like 176,000 chance that the donor and the recipient should be at the same place at the same time. So there was that. But then I wrote the letter and a few weeks later I got a letter back from Eric Callahan. That's wife at the time. I'm explaining that. Yes, she wanted me to understand who Matt was as an artist and the fact that she'd been told I was an artist. He discovered was meant to be. And there's a whole lot of other coincidences that are wrapped in all of this lead us. Yeah, I want to. I mean, I'm intrigued here. This is crazy. You know, I moved to I moved to Fort Lauderdale from Seattle. And and never had any intention of staying very long. But I took a job in Tampa. So that's how I ended up in Tampa from Fort Lauderdale. And that was in 2012. But back, backing up 2008 I was visiting Fort Lauderdale. I was still living in Seattle. I went with friends to New Orleans Labor Day weekend. So it'll be however many years coming up this weekend. And we're having a good time. And we were taking pictures in front of I don't remember the name of it. It's that famous landmark that white spire church in New Orleans. I don't know the name of it. Because I'm an idiot when it comes to travel. But minor Jackson Square I think some of the Yes, somewhere. Yes. Jackson Square. So we took pictures. And when Erica mats wife saw on my Facebook page, those pictures. Emily, it matches it. I have to tell you.

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Speaker 2

16:16

Were you there Labor Day weekend? 2008. That's Yeah, essentially what time was that picture taken? Because I was across the street. And that was proposing to me during that No way. And yeah. And so she she actually told the Tampa Bay Times in an interview that she thinks is possible. We passed each other on the sidewalk. And the reason it stands out to us is because Hurricane Gustav was approaching, which is the first major hurricane after Katrina, to come towards New Orleans. And we were all evacuated. And even though I lived in Fort Lauderdale, I was placed on that Southwest Airlines flight out of New Orleans to come to Orlando. And they said once we get you once we get back with you to Orlando, we'll figure out how to get you home to Fort Lauderdale. And then Erica said the same thing. Her and Matt were placed on a flight to Orlando. We don't know that it was the same airline. We don't know if we were there. You know what time, but we were both evacuated the same early morning hours before the hurricane. So there's that coincidence that we were there? In 2008? Yeah,

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Speaker 3

17:28

I called him nervous. I was like, oh, it might not be so good. That he was proposing at that moment. It wasn't like they were just there. And I was he was proposing

Law Smith

17:37

while I'm across the street taking pictures. Yeah.

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Speaker 2

17:41

So I called them orbits like planets that orbit each other. And there's been many times in in the last decade that Matt and I came very close to each other weird proposal, me living in the same neighborhood where he was painting a mural having. We both knew Shepard Smith mutual friends. Era Erica, his wife, her best friend. Her mom worked at an insurance company here in Tampa where my friend Brady worked and sat next to her. And that's how the family figured out it was probably me before we met after the transplant because he was saying my friend David just got a transplant. Your daughter's friend Erica, her husband died and he donated his heart. Wouldn't it be weird if Matt and David were matched? And she's like, I'm going to tell my daughter to tell Erica about this. And that's when like these weird friend requests started coming through Facebook of people that knew Matt and I'm and that's part of the suspicion that I had. I had Matt's heart. Because all of a sudden I was getting like people like tunay Tucker and different people that were like saying, you know, they wanted to do a friend request. But really stealthy about it, because it wasn't confirmed yet on either side. They hadn't confirmed it was me and I confirmed that it was match. But we just were also suspicious. It just seemed

19:13

to

19:16

just to write, I guess,

Law Smith

19:19

too easy to lie to ya too easy.

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Speaker 3

19:21

So on that note, have you had any sort of weird memories or anything like that? What

19:28

do you mean, hold on before

Law Smith

19:29

we jump to that, on that note, one note before we jump to that, because that we're definitely gonna get to that don't worry, we're not forgetting about that. Um, I remember you told me that there's a lot of confidentiality rules, and you were kind of able to True Detective your way through how you figure this out. I don't want to jump over this this aspect of the story.

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Speaker 2

19:54

Yeah, um, it came from, you know, the friend whenever was in Chicago, who said, You know, I work with this lady, we sit next to each other at you know, the insurance company. And her daughter is friends with someone in America and Erica's husband just died. He was an artist. And we think you were matched up with him for the heart. And and he'd come to visit in the hospital. He's telling me this, I said, we'll tell your friend, this is kind of weird to tell your friend to tell her daughter to tell her best friend Erica, that I suspect. I'm a match.

Law Smith

20:38

So we're playing a game of telephone. That's basically for people.

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Speaker 2

20:43

Yes, we get one. Brody, who told his coworker who told her daughter who told Erica.

Law Smith

20:49

And there you can't explicitly go out of your way to ask do you have to figure it out this way? Because there's a lot of legality? Where if, if you're if you're given something like he was, you just got it's supposed to remain anonymous? Yeah.

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Speaker 3

21:07

I still feel like my question did not need to be it's gonna get surpassed by the timeline.

Law Smith

21:13

I'm trying to go linear for the listeners here.

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Speaker 3

21:15

Yeah, linear. Yeah, it was linear. So linear. I know what you're talking about. I was gonna figure out in the last three, I hear about your your strange feelings in your memories from after the hold on?

21:26

Oh, no, no, hold on.

Law Smith

21:27

He's not even done with this part. Yeah, he is finished. Let him finish real quick, just for law. There is for the audience. I've heard there are

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Speaker 2

21:37

confidentiality for privacy of both the donor and the recipient. So for my family's privacy, you know, my husband, Ty, and I weren't exactly sure we wanted like the whole world to know what was going on. And I don't know that, you know, Matt's parents and his, you know, Erica, and you know, they had a five year old son at the time. So that's one logon. You know, for his protection. He is even at this point, Logan does not know anything more than I'm a friend of the family. We haven't really talked to him about who I am yet.

Law Smith

22:13

That's all I'm hearing. All I can think about is his son, who I met several times. Yeah,

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Speaker 2

22:19

no, I've definitely met Logan. And so we just wanted to be careful with that. But the company that takes care of the whole transplant procedure is called lifelink, here in Florida. And so lifelink, you have to write the letter G and you hand it to your doctor, and then the doctor gives it to lifelink, who reads it to make sure there's nothing inappropriate, you don't want to you know, upset the family, the donor family. And so then they reseal it, deliver it to the donors doctor, or delivers it to the family. So we had to go through those steps. And then, when Erica wrote me back, same thing she had to say, you know, she had to be completely anonymous and just say she was allowed to, I think at that point, she was allowed to use his name, because I reached out to them first, but she didn't use the last name. She just said, Matt. And there had been a mistake. When they like, right after the transplant, like the day of the transplant, the family was told that the heart went to an artist in Apollo Beach, Florida, who lived with his wife. And they were like, okay, that's great. That's why we went to an artist. That's amazing. But then when the friend approached and said, Well, you know, it went to this guy that a friend of a friend of my mom's code, my mom's co workers friend, and he's not married to a woman. He's married to a man. So there was some doubt there as to whether or not it was real. But then once she got once Erica got the letter from me, it was confirmed that yes, that's who I was. Because I said in the letter, my husband and I were very grateful for this gift. So at that point, we were supposed to sign legal documentation, get it notarized had to go through life links, lawyers for all this privacy stuff. And we decided we didn't want to do that. We were too anxious. So we found each other on Facebook. Well, they had already found on Facebook, and I've already found them. But we contact each other on Facebook, and then she texted me and said, Okay, let's meet at the restaurant. I'll bring madstad and step mom, and

Law Smith

24:41

rare Facebook doing something well

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Speaker 2

24:43

defined by one of the few times we're gonna tell the story and so we met at a restaurant. So I met Erica and Mick and enga and we, we left Logan at the first meeting. And then we met a few weeks later at the There is a art festival in St. Pete for the mural lists. And I don't remember the name of that festival, but we, I got invited there. And we did it. Erica and I did a interview with Tampa Bay Times there. And then I'm that's where I met a lot of mats, other artists friends. And that kind of opened the door for me to show my art at galleries in the St. Pete area. And sort of, it's like riding the coattails of somebody very famous because I was a relatively unknown artist. And suddenly, there's all this buzz that you know, I have that's hard, and then I'm carrying on that legacy. And so that just kind of kick started things for me that way. So that I hope that answers your question.

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Speaker 3

25:52

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that alone is crazy that I hit after the heart transplant you personally, you know, took off. Yeah, like that. That thing is like, part of you know, your story and all that which, when it comes to art, that's a big deal. Yeah. Well,

Law Smith

26:08

it also can kind of explain what's tough to explain in a weird extrapolating kind of way.

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Speaker 2

26:16

You know, we both keep painting murals I paint large panels I do acrylic on canvas 30 by 40 is that no no, I

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Speaker 3

26:26

just think it's funny that you also paint you don't paint murals, but you also paint large canvases and all that

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Speaker 2

26:33

murals in high school like the you know, the art art room walls and door of the art room and I school back in the 80s so I've done smaller murals, but I did large panels. You know, Matt had what his family and friends called an alter ego named bear. And he painted pictures of bears and my nickname is bear and I think because the bears as well in a very similar pop culture pop art style don't

Law Smith

27:02

make the easy gauge Oh, I know you want oh no on my mind is blown to be like the fact that you're gonna throw some jokes in here are also gonna just be wailing. I know I know, but he he was definitely a an intense artists that you're right had had a thing for bears. That's so crazy. And he was a dare I say tortured in some sense of being an artist sometimes where he was like, What did you do last night? Why are you so tired? He's like, what's up till 440 and painting like Jesus Christ. I've never written jokes like that. Okay, before we

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Speaker 2

27:38

have to wrap it up, though. I do want to hear I don't know, it's weird. That does happen or when I first had the transplant, and you know, these are these doctors are, you know, super, I mean, you think these are heart surgeons. So they're not like, going to be superstitious and all right, who the paranormal and all that stuff, but they didn't say, you know, listen, we've done this enough. We've done 1000s of heart transplants here at Tampa General, and you need to know that you may have cravings or you may have feelings that you've not had before. And we cannot scientifically explain it. But all we know is that it's real. I didn't know that the doctors would tell you that. The doctor has told me this and I'm like, okay, so um, they said you'll probably have, they said, you know, we had a patient that had a heart transplant that could not stand watermelon. He hated watermelon. And then after the transplant, he couldn't eat enough watermelon. He loved watermelon. And after meeting the donor family, Rachel turned out that the donor of watermelon. So I started having cravings for milk. And I'm kind of I don't want to say I'm lactose intolerant, because it doesn't bother my stomach. But I do get like really Flemmi and I just don't do well with the man. But since the transplant So for the last What is it been now in command? last three years. I have milk every night with dinner. I have milk cereal in the morning. And that's the first thing I asked the family when I met them on my Erica, did Matt drink a lot of milk. She's like, every morning at cereal, he loves milk cream. And that's just one of many things I have. I have to be I'm gonna be careful this next part because I don't know, I never met Matt. And I don't know his family well enough to really say that. We'll just say that I'm a very calm person. But after the transplant, there are things especially if it has to do with like social injustice or, you know, hurting animals or hurting children or anything like that. Like there's this anger like that builds up inside of me. And I can just have this outburst and friends and family. My husband will say that's new for you. And so I'm only getting thing here that I think at some point, Matt may have had, that it just feels like Matt to me. And it's a weird thing to say, I know. No,

Law Smith

30:08

but he was he was, he would tell me a lot of stories that were about him losing temper, an ARD kind of kind of calmed him down a lot of time. Like, it's honestly crazy.

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Speaker 2

30:23

So I do feel that there are times I'm like, I'll just be like, willing angrier, but not not stupid stuff. Not I'm not like a, you know, caring, but where something will happen. I'm like, that is just so you know, whatever. And I'll just feel really angry. And I think that a couple times, like out in public, I've said something to somebody like you need don't get dick. You know, don't don't say that. You know, somebody is treating like a cashier at Publix. I'm doing, you know, fuck you don't? Don't treat her that way. Don't treat him that way. And, you know,

Law Smith

30:55

it all makes sense. Like, where did that come from? I'm like, that feels like math. It feels like math. If it helps. It does make sense to his character. He had a lot of he loved the vigilante stuff. He loved the sticking up for the little guy like he loved. He loved talking to me about comedy, because he felt like it was it was the anti establishment kind of thing. Which he had a lot of,

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Speaker 3

31:18

I thought you might say you were going to start liking girls, or something. Yeah. So that would be weird. I mean, the way that the you know, it's completely it's changing your personality. And that way, who knows? Like, I wouldn't surprise me if it

Law Smith

31:31

hasn't had this used to be a corny kind of trope in movies back in the day, like, you get someone else's heart and you become them kind of thing. But they when we talked to me and I just tried to Google search it again, I forget that the phenomenon it's gone and put heartrate heart transplant phenomenon. But there is studies out there that from long ago about people experiencing the same thing. It's nothing. It's nothing catastrophic like that. Having a little bit more anger. That might be the most extreme of it. But yeah, there are these like, I never liked milk. And now I love milk. I have it strange. Yeah, it's not so salacious. But it is, it is like you have a piece of someone else in Yeah.

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Speaker 2

32:15

Like this weekend, I felt driven to have a pain as started that I just kind of set aside for a year, you just have for a year, this weekend, I could just feel like I've got to finish that painting. And I started working on it again. And it's hard to describe if you if you've never experienced it, it's almost like because I mean, physically, technically, he is inside of me. The DNA of his heart does not change, it remains his DNA. DNA is there. It was literally pumping blood through your body. It is it is and so I just maybe had asked me to like, oh, I've got to do this art. Like it's different than like, okay, like, I was focusing on more of architecture and doing like a lot of buildings and Art Deco type art. And then all of a sudden, like, no, that's the wrong direction. I'm feeling drawn to go back to more social realism, propaganda style art. And to me that that's Matt inside of me. That's Matt speaking to me. As weird as that sounds. And I don't expect any listener to understand that. But it is definitely Matt speaking to me in some form. Well,

Law Smith

33:32

we've got to wrap it up. But if anybody's listening, it has something to add to the story. It can't find your Wix website. They can get a hold of us and we'll we'll connect you with them. Any anything we left out? I wanted to make sure you had enough time to kind of go over my notes, no notes. Wow. You

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Speaker 2

33:52

know, I do I put Yeah, they are? Well, only because the stroke in 2017 hazard where they're especially short term memory, they there's times where I'll like I'll glitch out and be like, Oh, I don't even remember the name of that or I don't remember. Sure. Whatever. So I have to write stuff down. But I did write down this is this is a stretch. But I've I've told other people this when uh, when I met Erica, she gave me the the, like the flyer that they had his funeral or his celebration of life. And then she also gave me his paintbrush, one of his paint brushes. So I have that framed in our bedroom and the thing my constant reminder of Matt's gift, but on there and said that the arrangements were done by the Blount and curry funeral. And you know, my last name is curry. So that was just another one of those weird little things that keeps every one small, I will learn something new that pops up. So I guess the message I would really like listeners to understand is that you know, there There are no coincidences. There are no accidents. The universe works. However it works and just as things come to you just be open to it and accept it. Yeah, love it.

Law Smith

35:11

Yeah. Well, we appreciate you coming on tell the story. Yeah, we'll connect anybody. We forgot. Right? This is sweat equity. I appreciate you coming on tell your story. Alright, thanks both of you for having me on. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Bye bye.