#306: How To Use PR To Up Your Dating App Game w/ Beth Miller
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sweat equity podcast and streaming show we got our guest Beth Miller's slapping some PR your way slapping a little dating app action like that because that is your own brand. And if you don't work on your own brand in the dating world, yeah, loser. We're the number one comedy business. Comedy business podcasts in the world. pragmatic entrepreneurial vise with real life.
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Lady.
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Nice. Lady.
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Hit him up with your plugs before our ADHD kicks in. Do you have anything like? How does someone get ahold of you if they need your PR advice or consulting?
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I don't practice what I preach. I'm working on my website right now. Oh, yeah. Squarespace site any day now. Beth a Miller calm. Okay. Well, they can reach us and we'll we'll be the broker. If otherwise, Beth Miller PR Gmail. It's tough doing your own promo. Yeah. Although if you're in PR.
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My
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Best Buy by saying I don't practice what I preach. But it's the same thing. We do the same thing. We Yeah, we're like we're just talking shit because we hate ourselves in this direction. Very true. Yeah.
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You can hear us all right on that. I can do I look like I'm ready for my self tape audition? Yeah. Where are you?
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It's my workout room. But my office is terrible lighting. So just come in here. The lighting is very good. I didn't think you're quite the quite the summer. I thought you're more of an autumn but yeah, it's really it's really bringing out your cheekbones. Yeah, I can get good with it. I don't care. But
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I didn't just because I'm wearing a scarf. So don't don't get mad at me. I said I liked the scarf. First of all, I said you could pull it off. You can pull up. Oh, and he's got red pants on to again power. Those are
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the what? A crib bot. What's that? Is that? Uh, Scott? I was going for ask God. Kind of
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like fancy like, sailors or like, Polo Country Club guys. They have the Yeah, that's what I want to be. I want to be a D bag. villain guy in a movie. Oh, yeah. You know, have a have like a bully. Yeah, skinny tennis racket.
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What so alright, so we haven't asked you this the last time you're on. And so I'm going to ask you at the beginning instead of the end. What advice would you give your 13 year old self?
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You can get tired he didn't know I was gonna ask you this because you don't listen to the show.
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So you go. Don't go into public relations. Oh, so what? Why is that? My stuff? No, I would I would say this. It's not don't go into public relations. That's
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That's my job. But it, spend more time, spend time
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researching, following learning a lot about the profession you want to go into and don't kind of wing it like I did. Because
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maybe it is what you want to do. Maybe it's not what you want to do. But I, I basically said, Mom and Dad, I'm going to Florida State. And then I felt really bad doing out of state tuition for college football school. So I was like, Alright, I gotta get a legit degree in Business School. And then I quickly realized the only cool thing in the business school to do for me was marketing. So that's how I ended up in it. So marketing is cool.
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It is cool, guys. Okay, I like it. It's like,
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magic. The Gathering is cool, right? Like, that's exactly. Not that. I don't like it. I don't mean to come across that way. It's just I don't don't wing it. Spend time. And I do think, you know, now it's like, kids do that already. I mean, back then it was like, maybe you had an internship. Maybe you didn't. So, you know, that's changed, obviously a lot. How old are you now?
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You don't have to tell us? I just wanted to, I could look younger than us.
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I didn't think you'd actually answer is air. Shit. All right. This is for Whoa, whoa, whoa, this is how women act now. Oh, wow. They don't care. Like it's so crazy. Well, it's still rude to ask. I think women that's why I thought it would be funny. But I'm sure people are dying. God. Tell my 13 year old self. Don't be ashamed of how old you are when you get older. Yeah. Is this an issue? Like some kind of crazy timeline you're building here? Trying to keep track? Just going back to the original question. So we don't get off topic. Whoa, wow. Let's throw some shade your hat.
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So wait. So I contend PR is more powerful than ever. Right now. Like,
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you know, perception is kind of reality. In a lot of ways. I think one thing with like Twitter in the way we're reading stuff or reading statements, is I think we still have this like lizard brain where anything in text is still way more important than if you hear an interview, even if it's a sound bite, kind of chopped up and cut up to fit a narrative.
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What I guess in PR, is, I guess when I talked to you about, I don't want to throw any client right now. I want to hear about the big cover up. No, no, no. But like, remember Phil Hellmuth, the poker player, that he was the guy that was like, if it wasn't for luck, I'd win every hand kind of thing. Yeah. Which is like a weird statement. And I feel like in the marketing world and PR world now, the statements kind of carried over into
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it. This work would be great if it wasn't for the client interaction a lot of the time. And I look I'm not saying that's what you say, Beth? I'm saying is that the jerell? Was it that guy has to do with this there was just like a scan of parallels gonna zigzag back and do it. Oh, I prepared for this.
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Sitting you're like, Hey, where's it? That's a parallel? Because he said if it wasn't for something, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm saying like it there's this variable, and everybody's complaint and marketing agencies nowadays. Is it the clients or the variable that's that Jacks the whole work up? I didn't know if that was kind of the sentiment on the PR side because you've done it from the sports angle where you're walking people through like literally walking with,
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with athletes and be like, do say this. Don't say that, right? Yeah, but that's I mean, that's true. No matter. I've worked with attorneys who should be very aware and careful of what they're talking about. And sometimes they say whatever they want, and that's not okay. I mean, you have to you have to kind of handhold a little bit no matter who it is, but yes, athletes for sure.
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Can I name my favorite athlete Dad?
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Sure. The Chargers player
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and bills, but yeah, Sean was awesome. Merryman. Yeah. That's a great Shawn. Yeah. With the football dorks in us want to talk about him.
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How we can talk football? Yeah, you know, I'll talk football. Oh, yeah. Former former co host the the triple option podcast which Yeah, yeah, you Beth was Uh huh.
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There's too much. That's what that knows more about college. I only knew this the other two dudes. Yeah, that's what Come on.
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A lot and then we tried to get West Coast co host with Brendan T. Gleason. Yeah, okay. Yeah, this before you get a lot of turnover, also a Florida State fame. Yeah. Beth knows more about college football than I do at this point for sure. Yeah, I don't like I've lost it. I haven't. I haven't kept in touch with any of it. I don't know. And, and I'm worse than you are. Yeah. I don't know who the cute boys are this year. Oh, yeah. Who's this? Guy? Huh? Are you saying that's why I know cuz I'm watching. That's why I know.
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That's what I keep up with. I like Trey Lance's bow tie when he got drafted.
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You were saying that clients?
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clients seem to be the biggest variable. I just it's it's a statement. I've heard the last 10 years that it's like this work is great to do. But people don't expect the variable of clients. How do you deal with that?
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You know, I've found that
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Wim Hof breathing. Wow, maybe maybe you you know, you work, whatever, you have 10 clients on your roster, it usually ends up the ones that get it appreciate what you're doing and, you know, are willing to be a partner in it are the ones that last the ones that just come in. And they're like, high expectation not not that clients can have expectations, but you know, realistic x but expectations, I'll say,
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if they don't have those or you know, they don't get the value, they fade out pretty quick. So yeah, that can be frustrating, because you put a lot of time and effort to get things off the ground. But again, over time, the ones that are true partner in it usually last.
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That's how often are you foisted upon people that are told you need to PR person? Or they? I know they're the ones that don't last? But is that pretty common? How long? I'm sorry? How long? How often are you? Somebody told you need to get a PR person? Talk to her? Go do that. And then I'll go Okay, fine. Yeah, I mean, I would say, well, it happens a lot, because I feel like the whether it's an agency or individual needing PR, I mean, at this point, if you don't have it, it's kind of somebody telling you like, Hey, I can't believe you're not doing this yet.
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So you're talking about the expectations is, I feel like everybody tries to work it. Either they do it on an expectation of like, this is going to bring you X amount of money in marketing PR, which I think is a fool's errand, unless you really have data to back that up, and like empirical evidence of showing that you have done that? Or how would that work? I want to talk about that as well, or what a lot of people do in PR, which I know Beth doesn't do. But I think a lot of people do this to get a client is they'll, they'll promise the world, but they won't be specific and what the ROI is, we're going to get you out there and we're going to put you on, we're going to put you on the the Twitter's and the Instagrams. And we're gonna get you all the likes on Facebook and all that stuff. And it's like, Yeah, but you really, you're a b2b kind of thing, you really probably need to be on LinkedIn, or you need to kind of be focused over here on this channel, or maybe email marketing still, number one, or, you know, maybe get good at working on your brand first, to be able to brag about what you guys do well, then maybe have some numbers to track it. Are you finding yourself when you're, you're thrown into a possible new client? It's just kind of like, I don't know if Tell me what later to do. Like, did you tell me what to do? And bring it bring it in and tell me what's important? KPIs, all that stuff? Yeah. KPIs, baby. Key Performance Indicators. Yeah.
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So yeah, I mean, I do think there's, you know, there's prospects that come in, and they have an idea of what they think PR and marketing is, and it's not, you know, like you were saying, It's, you don't need to be on it. You don't need to be doing Tick tock, as a law firm versus a professional athlete. Maybe you need to be on LinkedIn, if you have a foundation, charity, something like that, or you know, you have a page but you're not necessarily using that as your go to.
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My biggest limit is when they go we're not we're not doing anything on Twitter, and you're like, do you understand how Twitter works? It's like it the chasm between people that are followed and people that they're literally called followers, like, you're just following brands and celebrities, the chasm between there's, it's not a connection you're making. You're just unless you're huge, like, my my puberty kicked in, I'm not sure.
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I mean, in terms
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As a social media specifically, I would say, you know, pick one or two and do it really well.
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You don't need to be across the board on everything. I mean, and then once I mean, if you're a consumer oriented brand, or you know, whatever athlete or something like that, then fine once you really like, get that going, and then you want to expand, fantastic, but I just find too many people. Yeah, we set up a Facebook, we set up this we set up and you're just kind of like talking to nobody, because as you said, like you don't, nobody's following you. I mean, there, you know, there is some value to having content going up, even though you don't have a huge number of followers, because surely somebody could land on you that way. But that's not the strategic way to do it. Yeah. And you have to add value for for the people on the other side, or else you're just you're you're just shouting into the wind, essentially. Well, and I think that's another thing is, you know, provide educational value. You know, nobody just wants to see your ad or your this is why we're great.
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And I think that's where, I guess I'm thinking specifically law firms, I think that's where a lot of them miss it. Like there's there's a place for advertising. But in terms of social or newsletters or whatever it is, it's not the place to say, you know, hey, this is great. hire us it's provide educational value. Trigger somebody to think, oh, wow, they could address that issue for me. Then I pick up the phone and call them. Yeah, lawyers, they got tons of little tidbits they can offer easy while on the final blow. So many of them say, Well, I don't want to give away my, you know, experience and knowledge for free. Yeah. Right. And it's like, okay, but at the end of the day, I you know, if I have a big enough matter, or issue, whatever that I need a lawyer for? I mean, maybe I can go to what's the, what's the online Legal Zoom or whatever it's like, but then they're probably not going to do anyway, because that's a totally different ballgame, right? Like, if I'm a solo, and I'm starting a business or something, and I have like zero budget, then yeah, maybe LegalZoom works to get some documents set up. Yeah. But they call the attorney charging 500 an hour anyway. So it's like, that's not your market. So don't worry about it. But when you're putting out something that you know, a company with 100 employees, and they need, you know, whatever it may be, it's like, yeah, that's, that's your target. And at the end of the day, they're not going to do it themselves. Yeah, I always on everything ourselves, we do it right, we wouldn't need all these other people to call in the law, we used to have worked with law firms all the time. And the frustrating part is like, you have all these angles, you have all these things that make you mad, the reason you're at a small law firm, you have this kind of, they always have some kind of angle, the reason they're not in a corporate firm, and I'm like, just let me pull that out. He just write a that on camera, just dictate into an audio file and send it to me whenever you want. I'll transcribe it in otter.ai. And we'll we'll form it into content. And it's like, just do it like you have, it's that if you can get content out of a lawyer, that they're there, literally dispense it for free all the time anyway, like, you can ask them it there. When you're an attorney. It feels like that's all that's like half your your personal conversations, or just answering a question.
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I got in a car wreck. They're like, I'm a real estate attorney. It's like, sure, but a fitness guy. So I drove through a house. And I'd be like, you have that? So I was like, you brought it up? Like, what's the target audience? I used to have to go through this with everybody. Okay, I can't even give you the KPIs or the benchmarks until we get some basics down. And then if you know your cost per lead cost per acquisition, that really helps, but you probably don't, but I go, who are you trying to target? Who? Look most people don't know that shit. Before Eric's laughing but I'm laughing cuz you probably don't. You probably don't jab at whoever you're talking to in the ether, small business owner. I've talked to 1000 of them. And literally one of them have these four numbers. I know. It's just funny to me.
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No, but I'm saying like, it's insidious. If you have if you have a small business, and you don't even have a ballpark what that number is, you can hate marketing. That's fine. A bit. You're in a service business, and you don't even have an idea. But yeah, your attorneys specifically would be like very hard ass about everything you're doing along the way. Yeah. Which is what I like a little bit out of them because it's like, come on, try me. Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. I got small man syndrome. Yeah. That's your that's your mo where we scarf do it. Yeah. Stand up so that if at all.
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It's not it's not billable time, right. So any time they're talking to you or me or whatever. It's like, hey, this better be worthwhile.
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And then some because I'm not billing for this. Yeah, the opposite.
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Even though at the end of the day, it's like what I'm doing might be bringing you more business and yes, it's very hard to have like a direct tangible dollar amount to that but over time it you know, it can be shown but you got to be nimble. You gotta you can everybody's gonna fight big. Like this. extrapolate this out into other industries you can you can make the case for elective surgery or, or what else is super competitive on a service level like, accountants, there's a lot of things where people who can just go, I don't know, I'm just gonna go with the lawyer referral thing, I saw a billboard and just let it go, or I'm gonna pick Morgan Morgan Morgan Morgan, Morgan Morgan. And because that they're the biggest law firm in the country or whatever. And so I've heard of them, you'd be surprised how many people don't even I, I grew up around attorney. So I guess I don't I find this weird. But I, I'm realizing how many people don't even vet like they don't even price out, like, talk to three attorneys. If they've got something just like, yeah, crazy swings, and
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maybe the craziest of all swings you do for a contractor, you would call three people and go, Hey, what's up? I'll take that middle bed. And that's probably going to work. But people don't do that with law firms, doctors, anything else? Yeah. I find that weird.
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So it is like a referral network. So work on that referral now or be like, what do you guys do? Well, now let's just do that better.
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I want to hear about press releases. are they important?
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I mean, it seems like you don't
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bet it in eyeroll. They're not really an eye roll, like an eye up in a way Look, but
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because
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with the you know, whatever online social media, etc. There's so much content out there. And not everything warrants press release. Actually, most things do not want a press release. Maybe it's a press release for your website, in terms of, you know, I don't know, a new attorney joins. I mean, the amount of, you know, announcing like a new high level partner, one, one joined the firm. Sorry, not that many places care at this point, you know, how many attorneys are moving firms and just, you know, other issues going on in the world? So yeah, there might be two publications to send it to, but you know, otherwise, throw it up in your website for prospects and other people to see, put it in your newsletter. You know, if you're on Twitter, tweet about it. Great. Move on.
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Now, if it's a huge case result when you know, something like that transaction closed, great.
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But even then, it's it's not so much the case result. It's the story behind it, right? It's what were the issues, what were you know, the challenges overcome, that tells the story of who the firm is, what the attorneys can do their expertise and that sort of thing. Again, just using a law firm. Example. What about sports marketing? Because you had a big background in that anything you see coming up with PR, marketing and sports sports world?
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I mean, this isn't new, but I think it's that access to athletes. What is it like cameo?
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In terms of like, or I got one from the catcher predator guy for my birthday.
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Yeah.
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He's gonna probably get a player's Tribune or whatever. Like, it's like first account from the athletes. I mean, it's that access, right to feel like it's like anything, whether it's an actor or whatever other celebrity people want to feel like they know that person personally versus just this like figure. So, again, I don't think that's anything necessarily new but I think it's going to continue to grow in terms of just unique personalized marketing. I feel like NBA players have got it kind of nailed down because they all have like their own legit like branding, like I just saw thing that is like here like 30 logos of 30 different players. It's like I didn't I had no idea. Yeah, like, NBA players are really advanced and having like their brand, as soon as they're drafted and everything I I bought, frankly, I think the NBA does an amazing job.
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I mean, there's certain issues but does an amazing job in terms of
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kind of providing that platform and helping like the NBA does an amazing job like as an organization in terms of marketing and branding and that sort of thing where I think the NFL
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doesn't do a great job.
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Yeah, the NFL seems conservative by, by relative to NBA in that regard. There's so many more people, players like that. You know, think about that. 700 players. Yeah, everything. Yeah, compared to the, you know, what is it 350 in the NBA or whatever, you know, like, it's a lot more.
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When I was working with
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those guys it was, you know, it's interesting to think I mean, NBA, like you, you see them running, right, like you see their face, right. And then unless they're the top player, or they're doing the sideline interview, you know, whatever, they have a sponsor, they have giant hair out the back. Yeah, I mean, you don't. I don't know. I mean, there's, you know, kind of the not practice squad guys, like mid tier, and it's like, they're not doing a lot of that stuff. And it's like, okay, yeah, I know him. But like, if I saw him walking down the street, or if I saw him on a commercial, I'd be like, Oh, yeah, that's, you know, Joe Smith. Some, you know, I don't know. So that's my brother when I worked on with a lot of those guys, because it was like, Look, you may think everybody knows your face and your brand, but they don't. Yeah, yeah. in baseball. It's just kind of say a little bit of the same behind him behind.
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Not like I passed on, you got a hat but their face a lot of dudes. A lot of dudes. Maybe it's just the numbers how to dude. Dude, Sausage Party. Yeah, yeah.
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All right. Yeah. watch that movie for the first time. Sausage Party. Yeah, I thought it was a kid's movie.
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Oh, no, no, not at all. How old? Were the kids that you were watching it with?
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No, it was a it was an adult. Summer party. But you're no adult slumber party. I was gonna say you're in LA still locked down is everything. Can you go out to a restaurant with more than four people?
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I think it's up to six in a team. Oh, man. That's so forgiving. Although this was in Palm Springs, but it was the girls weekend you missed out on I know, I used to go on the girls trips. And now I don't.
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Yeah, that's right. He's gonna lay struts. And we're in LA. And well, yeah, but I went to Park City with y'all.
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I was security.
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Yeah. But you use that a lot. We went to Sundance. Yeah, it was fun.
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All right. The real reason wanted to have you on is we we've been sharing great dating app stuff back and forth.
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And I wanted to give the rules from your perspective as a female, what not to do as What dude should not do on dating apps? Should I bring up our text? You can if you want.
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I would say I'll give. I'll give you a minute to think. Are you ready? Okay. I didn't know it has the text pulled up. What else? The one thing I have with the female with guys. On the female side is the list of rules. If you get a list of rules of like, I don't know, man to take care of me don't pay my own bills. No lies, none of this. It's like, Whoa, skull emerging flag. And I read them. Most of them. Most guys don't read any of them. Well, okay. So, you know, guys just go for?
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No, I trust me. Number one is kind of related to that is don't don't be negative in your bio. Yeah, like I don't want to hear I mean, I get it. You know, there's the like, prompt or whatever on the one that says, you know, what's the deal breaker? Okay, smoking or whatever? Fine. But like you said, like, not the? I don't know, I don't want a woman that
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voted for Trump.
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Oh, what? I'm okay with that one light, actually. Yeah.
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But, but I also do think it's a weird, hopefully condos swipe right.
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Well, I do think that is a weird thing to put to, like, take up real estate, if you will. And you're right. It's only so many characters and whatever. And it's like, you can put your political views and it's like, okay, I mean, I can see if you put conservative or liberal or whatever, like I can probably take away so don't take up real estate for your bio. If I mean, I'm not really a big like, let me tell you my life story and my interests like oh, you know, I mean, less than six unique stuff. I get to know and
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I like to go to restaurants near the beach. A lot of traveling. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Everybody puts up. Yeah. On the guy side, the less history or less Yeah, less history more mystery as seems to play right. If you have a guy that has so much stuff, like I thought it was being funny in some of those in writing, I was like, reread them. I'm like, What am I doing?
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And I don't know not to sound. I don't know what the word is, but like
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Alright, go to have
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Like a really lengthy bio. I don't know. Maybe this is a
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no, it seems needy. It seems codependent seems thirsty. A lot. Yeah. Yeah, that seems high maintenance. Seems like they talk a lot.
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So there's that then I would also say photos. I got a lot to say about photo. Most of the game. I mean, let's face it. Yeah, it's just like I didn't even know there were BIOS until you guys brought it up.
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So, okay, sign of the times, but like, I don't need any photos, and especially your first one and a mask. Yeah.
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And nobody does. Okay, scarf. Okay.
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So I prefer, whatever you call it. A couple of things. So I am looking at the third one you and I kind of talked about, so we'll see what she has to say about it. But number two on photos is I don't need your like, if you're a photographer or you're you like to go to the beach or whatever. I don't need to take one of your five photos of like the sunset or your boat or your whatever, you know, not you
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need
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a dog. You know how much I love dogs. I'm like, be in the photo with your dogs. I don't see your dog. Okay, fair. That's that. And then also
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I don't know what it is with guys. I assume you're fun. And we'll get zany and whatever. I don't need three photos. And maybe maybe this is the issue. Maybe guys only take photos around Halloween. They don't have like a lot of just like guys at dinner photos.
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But it's like, I don't need your like, dressed up as whatever and three photos like I can't even tell who you are. That's fair. I like in a Halloween costume. I agree with that. I know you sent me your one though. And I was like, Oh,
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I performs the best. See I look at it from the digital marketing side. I go. This one gets the most like this one gets the most which one that I'm wearing real short shorts. And you can almost see my balls coming out. Which one? Which one what of those balls showing pictures?
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I got a lot of short, short short picture. I can think it's not Yeah, it's not
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anti that photo except like, Don't you have like a mustache on? And like, I know the photo. Yeah, no, no. Yeah. Right. So we in the bids. We call that an attention getter? It's like Larry Bird Magic Johnson or whatever. And I can like, you know, you throw on a headband, and I can see your face. Okay, fine. But like if you're dressed up as Dracula, first off, I'll never do magic johnson because I think that would age poorly.
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Politicians having blackface I don't think that's gonna work for me.
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Okay, okay. I think you're saying me specifically. An example because I know two guys that dress up like that as a joke for various it's an Oh, I've got some from college that it's not going to do that. Well, those are passed around. Anyway, so photos like that means but they weren't meaning to be racist. What I'm saying it's like, it's just never are. Yeah, right. I mean, some Trudeau or whatever.
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So there's that. I have a cool fish picture where I caught a big fish.
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Or I shot a turkey. Can I see your face in it? Yeah, yeah. I'm covered in blood dogs smiling right next to a 10 point buck. And I'm so excited. There's tears coming down the deers face because it's
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me swiping right on you or whatever. But for some I'm sure in Florida, and I'm generalizing here that that'll No, no, I definitely see on female profiles that it says
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there's a lot of women. This is the disclaimer, that's kind of funny. It's like I see a lot of them like, I don't need to see a fucking fish picture for you holding up a fish. So apparently, it's a lot. I know there was there was some article that just like Cosmo or something it's like we don't need your here's the thing. Like it shows an activity you like as long as I can see your face and
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you're doing it to do to do to get to show a shirtless peg without showing a shirtless pic. I think that's the straight. Yeah, because I just show up straight up and he
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bathroom photos there are two like, and also do you guys not understand like I spent I mean, I don't know I don't have an Android but on iPhones. Like you can set a timer so you don't have to do the whole like, Oh, so that's a big difference. I think guys don't have we don't have it. We don't take pictures in the car of ourselves. Oh, yeah. A lot. You know.
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Majority of women I'd say there's always a picture of them in the car and you're like what? Why? Why is this always a thing? There's a lot yeah. It's good.
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There's good lighting makeup in there.
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But I but same goes right between the boobs. Nice. Why are you doing this in the car? Like there are timers? You can literally because they look cute. Put a timer on it. Go sit on your couch and act like somebody took photo of your party and do it until you like it and
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you put cardboard cutouts of real humans behind something sociopath, like
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all your photos are this in the mirror. It's weird. That's that's psychopathic, I think. Yeah, I say the worst one is the one where, let's say six pictures.
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It of her with somebody else. Yeah, gotta find them. Okay, which is worse?
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No, that's not like crop or at least put the little you know, emojis over. I also realized law per year.
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Your forwards? Clearly I'm missing out on the like.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, those are big. Big time. Yeah. Do I need to take some some sexy fainting couch stuff. You know?
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in bikinis plenty. Well, I yeah, you have modeling pictures on you. But I'm saying you need a fainting couch. George Costanza style.
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I just did that. Because you're a huge Seinfeld fan. That's actually what I thought of when you said, I know. I already think of that. I think George I'm like, What? What all of these women are a posting these and be then sending them to you even before first dates like a dick pic.
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I don't know. I'm not. I'm not. I would never, literally never do that. Yeah. Now here's my only thing we'll leave on this is. I heard this from Neal Brennan on a podcast
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that I thought I thought this was really lame. And then it became very smart. You got to FaceTime them before you go meet him in person. That is a rule I've got now. Yeah, a lot. A lot of trick photography on our side. I'm looking at a lot of angles that I didn't see before. I think
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I mean, especially if I'm in LA, I'm in I'm driving 40 minutes, minimum to wherever, like, I'm definitely doing that rule. Well, that's the funny thing. I'm like, I'll set it to like 15 miles in LA, I mean that you'd be in Burbank. And then it's like, oh, I matched and then I'm like, there's no way. I guess I'll go to the prices right there.
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Sweet.
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Yeah, but you got to FaceTime beforehand that has has trimmed a lot of like, boop, all the fat. fatties call is fine. I'ma end of the video thing. I think it's weird, but that's the whole point. It's, it's, it's weird. It's definitely uncomfortable. But it's like, I'd rather do this than meet up and be like,
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I feel like I don't know. I also feel like people
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maybe have a bad judge of character. It's like, Oh, you only have two photos. But he was like, cute in the one and it's like, no. And that's where you end up in that Well, okay, I'm going to go meet up for a drink. Oh, it was weird. It didn't work out like search shocker. So don't match with people that you're not super into. You heard it here first. Beth Miller don't match with people. Unless you're super close in PR.
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And I'm just saying that there's like, there's so and I'm gonna sound like a jerk or something. But it's like, there's so few people. Actually, that's a Seinfeld thing, too. He says, like 1% of the population is dateable fair? Yeah. 1% 1% of the population. That might even be a
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big stretch, I'd say yeah, yeah. One thing though. I feel like people are on there and are like, okay, whatever I'm doing and then it's like, they go on all these dates and it's like, but were you really that into like, Do you not have a good judge of character? Did you not get like are you excited to meet them? Are you like, I'm just going to go like, I have to be really excited to go meet somebody in a phone not unlike nevermind, yeah, that's fair.
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But
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whatever.
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Whatever, then fine. Do your thing.
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Well, we gotta we gotta call it quits, because we got our guests outside for the next episode. But yeah, well, actually, he figured he got here before you. You're starting. Yeah, you're getting the Apollo Sandman. But anybody that wants to get a hold of Beth can get a hold us, I guess, until you have your website.
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Miller PRG gmail.com direct. That's our direct Gmail.
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Thanks for coming on, friend.
